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So I saw there was a bit of an issue with Firefox regarding their views on LGBT+ and how they expressed them. I wanted to say a bit it yesterday, but decided to do something else instead, which is why I'm doing it now. I did look over the threads that seem important to this little disagreement. Now I am personally pan and an LGBT+ supporter, but I honestly see faults on both sides here.

 

On the one side, we have Firefox. Now, I don't mind if she doesn't like LGBT and doesn't agree with it. However, it's expected that you still respect people, regardless of their orientation. Something my mother said when we having a discussion about the Evergreen State controversy was that even if someone doesn't agree with a belief or orientation, they still respect that person. "Even if I don't believe it, or am against it, I'll still be your friend and talk to you." And Firefox, most people aren't mad that you disagree, it's the way you acted regarding that belief. Going "eww" at the thought of LGBT ships is kind of offensive and can hurt people, just like someone going "eww" at you for your choices in relationships. As for your RP rules, I honestly don't care how you run your RPs, but I understand why people were upset. ANother thing was how you reacted to the hate. You did something that I see a few SJWs (usually supporters of LGBT and feminism) react, they play the victim card and whine about the hate. I know you're a kid (I'm only two years older than you), but you have to understand that with these kinds of conversations, you have to be a bit more mature in your part of the discussion. Or not take part at all, as it adds attention and sometimes prolongs it. You also have to understand some of the feelings of those disagreeing with you.

 

But I do agree with Firefox on some things as well. And I think some of this wasn't entirely her fault. When I saw the RP threads, most of the people joining weren't really bothered by the rule, it wasn't until someone came in and complained that it became an issue. I'm not sure if that person planned to join before seeing the rule or somehow stumbled upon it and got mad, but people have a choice to not join. If people were bothered by the rule, they could have just not joined. Really, it mostly affects the RP's growth, considering how many people are apart or support LGBT. But from personal experience, I've hardly seen same-gender ships come up in the RPs I've created/joined (then again I dropped out of the RP community and rarely take part in them anymore, so maybe things have changed?). And we got to remember that Firefox has the right not to agree with LGBT and not associate with it. Now, she didn't give a reason, and honestly even I want to know the why to her beliefs, but we also have to respect her and her beliefs and decisions just as we expect others to. Because then we get these kinds of things that blow up when it probably wouldn't have mattered if people didn't give attention to it.

 

Basically, everyone played a part, nobody is entirely innocent. The reason I bring this up is because I expect more issues similar to this and want to try to solve them before they begin. I honestly think that we have to respect people's beliefs and decisions regardless of what they are or their background, unless it is harmful or bullying. The "ewww" thing was a little offensive, but just a simple civil conversation was needed for that. If it was anything like directly going after LGBT, mass-reports of LGBT topics for no reason, or just troll behavior, I would have understood the reaction. But this was really small and didn't deserve the attention it got. So don't be cry-bullies, don't bring attention to things that no one is having an issue with at the time, and be respectful.

 

And if the Firefox controversy is dying down, I apologize for bringing it back up again and take full responsibility if this restarts it. But please don't actively seek out in restarting it or continuing it. This post also served the purpose of commenting on any incidents that are similar to the one named.

 

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Kudos to you!You wrote a well-put-together essay at one in the morning!Good job!:D

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    Prank, I applaud you. This essay was very well written, well thought out, and you examined the argument from both sides, which a lot of people have a hard time doing. As a person, I don't support LGBT+, but I don't discriminate against people who are.

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This is very well written, Prank. I will not say one thing or the other, but I will say that these arguments destroy the positive and fun vibes from RPs and the RPs themselves. Arguments such as these also splitter relationships between SAMBers and can create bigger conflicts. We cannot let this conflicts escalate for the sake of many on here. I remind everyone that there is a political world outside, but the inside of SAMB is for kids that just want to have a good time. 

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I DID GIVE A REASON. Man why no one read it? 

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Firefox, you're just proving everyone's point.

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Is your reason "my mother is...." from the four gifts of Erdas thread? If so, that's not really a reason, you didn't finish your sentence. 

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Nvm, I saw your reason. Forget I was here.

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-Puts hands up in surender.- I don't want to start anything, but Firefox, even thou you are uncomfortable with it (I think, your reason wasn't really clear to me), that gives you no reason reason to criticize people.

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Well I apologize Firefox, I did not see it in my search.

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Yeah, different thread thingymabobly

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An eye for an eye, Prank.

 

Please don't listen to him- Anyway, you're right Prank. I'll try to keep some people under control better. 

 

Did I ever say I was innocent? No, I didn't. It's not innocent, nor is it entirely fair. It just makes the most sense.

 

Ignore him. I'll fix it later.

 

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*scrolls through the post, not reading anything*

 

... yay

 

*does not know what LBGT means*

 

LOL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

 

what does it mean

 

LOL HAHA WHAT THE HECK DUDE *leaves, laughing head off*

 

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I do have to ask Firefox. I want to clarify I found the right post, but you're disagreement with LGBT is because of your mother? You're allowed to not answer, but can I ask why? Is it because it bothers you to see your mother in that kind of relationship? Or is there just something negative? Like I said, you're allowed to not answer, but I just want to understand your situation a bit more so I can understand you better.

 

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I'm really sorry you have a bad home life,but would you hate on straight people if your mom neglected you for a boyfriend? 

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My mom has a girlfriend. And she doesn't care for me and my brother a sister. I rarely even want to talk to her anymore. I can't explain everything. I can't. 

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Wait, what happened?

Firefox was involved in all of this?

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@Prank

 

I agree with this. Everybody please remember that respect goes both ways. 

 

@Firefox

I think that's a good enough reason since it brings up a bad topic for you. I'm sorry that you have such a bad home life, and I hope it gets better and one day you'll be able to reconnect with your mother if you wish to.

 

@Everybody else

 

They've given their reason. Now please let this whole thing die and go back to the other argument all threads that we seem to see so much. 

 

I really hope this doesn't sound aggressive... 

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